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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #210 on: February 04, 2008, 13:29:29 pm »
Hi Leslie
Just wanted to say Hi, still here and checking in on you  :)  can't add anything to what Laura said.  And I agree the ew will start to sort themselves when her naps & nights are sorted, so don't rush it.

Your making fantastic progress though, keep it up :D

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #211 on: February 04, 2008, 18:34:18 pm »
Agreed about not pushing bedtime later... I'm actually thinking if I move the pm nap up, I can also move bedtime up, and that may help with the OT.

As far as extending naps, NOTHING has ever worked in the past (leaving her to settle/ sshh-pat/ W2S).  The only thing that has ever worked is rocking her as soon as she's stirring.  But I don't think it affects her ability to take a longer nap.  Many times when she's not so OT, if I extend one nap then the next day I'll get a longer nap.

Anyway, we had 35 mins this morning, with an add'l 15 on me.  I tried an earlier pm nap, and I plan on an earlier bedtime.

Will let you know how it goes...
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #212 on: February 04, 2008, 19:20:14 pm »
I'm sure that leaving her hasn't worked in the past, which is why you have been so anxious to get in there at the first sign of her stirring. The problem is that all LOs stir as they come out of one sleep cycle and go into the next one - sometimes they make a bit of noise and sometimes they don't - just as they do during the night. You know that she can settle herself from most NWs but you've no way of knowing which naps she would have settled herself for a second sleep cycle.

When Ollie's OT was at its worst, he would wake up midway through his naps crying and if I heard him stand up in his cot then I would go and lie him down (basically WI/PD/WO) for up to 10 mins to resettle him. As his OT improved, the awake periods got shorter and then he would just call out a couple of times and resettle himself. After that, he then started sleeping through without calling out.

How long have you been intervening in her naps at the first sign of her stirring?
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #213 on: February 04, 2008, 22:34:00 pm »
Too long  :(

Since she's always been a short napper, I thought I may as well get as much sleep into her as I can to avoid OT.

She's very spirited, so once she's up, she's up- and immediately standing.  Not going B2S until the next "sleep" time.

Me and my bright ideas!!!- This afternoon's nap was 42 mins.  She was asleep at 1:33pm, and slept til 2:15pm.  I always overcompensate- guess I should take the pm nap to 1:45pm.  And early to bed (she didn't fight me at all) at 5:35pm. 

Hoping we catch up on some sleep-


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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #214 on: February 05, 2008, 00:53:20 am »
Do you think maybe she's just used to you helping her when she wakes mid-nap? Maybe try wi/wo instead or pd rather than helping her by rocking her?
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #215 on: February 05, 2008, 12:03:59 pm »
I suppose it's possible, but now that she's had no NWs the past 5 nights I don't want to mess with success.

She still wakes up crying in the morning, and from some naps.  We had a great night (5:35pm-5:57am), and she still woke crying.

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #216 on: February 05, 2008, 12:36:17 pm »
Hi Leslie
Lily totally got used to me coming and helping her back to sleep 1/2 way through nap and for a long time I really struggled to get her past 45mins when on 1 nap.  The thing is you know its wrong but when they are so damm OT you do anything to extend their sleep and get through the OT.  I used PD & GW as Lily wanted me to touch her to get back to sleep (well to get to sleep full stop actually!) I found that once I had got out of room and could just use wi/pd/wo things really started to improve. 

I really don't blame you for extending her naps however you can at present, but as soon as she is caught up on sleep you will need to work on other ways to extend her naps if need be.

Great news on 5 nights without nw's, thats fantastic.  Things should get back to normal soon.  :)
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #217 on: February 05, 2008, 14:21:17 pm »
So not looking forward to PD and GW in the future.

And I don't want things to get back to normal- I want them to improve greatly! 

Demanding, huh?
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #218 on: February 05, 2008, 17:59:54 pm »
LOL  ;D

GW and PD will be a breeze compared to what you've been through of late  ;)
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #219 on: February 05, 2008, 19:21:59 pm »
OK, so today after a great night, she slept 30 mins in the am.  I extended another 40 mins, though I probably shouldn't have, as she didn't get to sleep for the pm nap til 2:30pm.

So today looked like this:

5:57am Awake
9:20am-9:50am Nap (extended til 10:30am)
2:30pm- ?

Should I just be letting her sleep however long she's going to sleep?  Should I still be aiming for 9:10am and 2pm as nap times?

I'm so confused   ???
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #220 on: February 05, 2008, 20:16:24 pm »
I know how you feel, this transition left me feeling like an absolute failure as a mother :-[ I wasn't but it just totally through my confidence as too wether I had a clue what I was doing.  I think your doing great, her NW's seemed to off stopped her wake up time is getting better so huge progress really ;D

Is she caught up yet on sleep do you think?  She certainly seems to be improving with no NW's and her nights getting a bit longer again.  As you said following a good nights sleep and a 6am wake up she then only took a 30min am nap, probably wasn't tired enough to sleep longer, rather than OT JMO.

I think possibly you need to decide what works best for her, a long am nap and short pm nap or vise versa.  I don't think at this point you are going to get 2 long naps again, we know she was transitioning from the start. 

So when you think she is caught up, even if her day starts at 6am and ends at 6/6.30pm then you will need to make a new plan and stick with it, just like you are doing now.  Unfortunately no one can advise you the right route to go, thats your descision.  Even if you choose the wrong way you can always re think and do the opposite as long as you give things time to have effect and act sooner rather than later when you see its not working.

I totally cocked things up with Lily, I went the short am nap long pm nap route, unfortunately Lily would always do a short pm nap if the am nap was short and I battled with this  for ages until I just went cold turkey onto 1 nap as 2 just weren't working.  If I had acted sooner and left am nap long and tried for a late catnap or been brave enough to try for a super early bedtime things would of gone a lot smoother for us I think.
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #221 on: February 05, 2008, 23:57:46 pm »
I have no idea what to do...

5:57am Awake
9:20am-9:50am Nap (extended til 10:30am)
2:30pm- 3:10pm
7pm Bedtime (I tried for 6:15pm, but she was wide awake)

So I'm expecting an EW tomorrow.  But then what?  It doesn't seem like either long am nap, short pm nap or the opposite is going to work with this child. 

I think it's easier to figure out (ha!) a long am nap, then short pm nap.  But like today, it pushes bedtime late and then we have an EW.  Viscious cycle, which we know ends with OT.

GRRRRRR


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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #222 on: February 06, 2008, 11:57:20 am »
I don't think she's caught up on sleep- we had a 2.5 hour NW last night.  I swear I'm on the verge of a breakdown.

7pm Asleep
9pm- few cries, but settles herself
11:36pm-2:07am AWAKE
5:53am Awake for the day

I tried WI/PD/WO.  I tried putting my hand on her back and removing it (that worked a few times, but she kept standing up).  After 2 hours, I sent hubby in.  She started throwing her teddy bear out of the crib.  He gave in and rocked her b2s.  Not the way I wanted it handled, but I couldn't handle it myself anymore.

Any thoughts on the NW?  Or what I should do today?  Back to scheduled naps?
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #223 on: February 06, 2008, 12:42:10 pm »
Carry on carry on! One bad night shouldn't override the fact that you've had several good nights before that.

IMO you should stop trying to extend the am nap. I think she is getting too much (poor quality) sleep and I'm sure it is disrupting the rest of her day. When she wakes, just leave her for a few minutes if she's not crying then go and get her if she doesn't fall back to sleep herself.

Ultimately, you need her to drop this nap and bring the pm nap forwards so if you're not extending the am nap you should probably try and put her down a little earlier (1:30pm maybe?). If you're going to try and extend any nap it should be the pm one.
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #224 on: February 06, 2008, 13:20:50 pm »
Definately carry on with what you currently doing, I guess the easiest route to start is a short am nap long pm nap as she will only take a 30min am nap unaided.  I would work on using wi/PD/wo to extend pm nap as you have little to loose at this point in the day, if you only get a 40min nap you can still do an early bedtime.

I agree that if the 30min am nap ends at roughly 10am then 1.30pm should be next nap time, although you may want to try 15mins earlier so to not miss the window.  Rule of thumb is 3-3.5hrs A time after a 30min catnap. 
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