Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 4

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Jem88, how's it going? Btw I wouldn't worry too much about the days getting longer, I think that happens with most LOs to some extent when they're on 2 naps but almost needing just 1. We've had a few ok weeks with 13.5h days here and there, although I always used to think that DS did better with at least 11h at night.

We're having our first intentional 1 nap day! Yesterday was also 1 nap, but only because he refused the am nap. Slept 2h without a peep, then stirred a bit but went back for another 30mins before waking up - wasn't very happy when he woke though, not sure if he was OT or just a bit confused?! Today's nap isn't going so well though He's stirred several times, firstly at the 45min mark, but went back to sleep quickly, but now he's awake at the 2nd 45min mark and it also sounded like he almost woke several times in the middle. Just babbling quietly to himself, no crying as yet, and it's not 'hey I'm awake and ready to go' babbling either! So I clearly have some way to go in guessing what time to PD for this 1 nap... if I give you the last couple of days' timings, does anyone have any thoughts? On a good 2 nap day, he does 4h 45mins A time to BT, but might take another 15mins to get to sleep.

Yesterday - night wasn't great, probably due to painful nappy rash Seemed v tired in the morning so aimed for 2 nap day but got:
6:30 WU
9:30 PD for nap - wasn't having it so got up at 10am and gave big snack
11:15 PD for nap (bit delayed due to nappy etc) - cried a bit and went to sleep 11:20, stirred 1:20, woke 1:50.
6:15pm Straight to sleep, had the odd cry-out in his sleep but put it down to the rash, other than that slept all the way through until...

Today so far:
6:30 WU (seemed bright and had had a good night so decided to try for 1 nap)
11:15 PD but cried a bit and finally went to sleep 11:30. Woke 12:15 but straight back; woke 1pm and babbled on and off quietly for ages, keeps going quiet so I think he's gone back but then I hear more babbling in the monitor... Sure he must still be tired... but now he sounds more lively at 1:30pm... Was he OT/UT??? Still, he's happy so I'll keep him there a bit longer... if he doesn't get back I'll try EBT at 5:30!

Any ideas? At his childminder, with a 6:30 WU (or often earlier), he'll do 20mins am nap around 9:30 and then his long nap (2h) is at 1pm, so I've no idea whether 11:30am for his 1 nap is likely to be OT/UT?? All I know is that the last time he refused his am nap, his pm nap was delayed (lunch, nappy etc) until 11:50 and this was definitely OT.

Ok he's sounding less happy now, think I'll get him up!

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Ok so I PD'd for BT at 5:40pm and he went straight to sleep... but woke after 10mins, quietly babbling again until he possibly got fed up and started crying, sitting up. Carried on his quiet babbling after I went in to him and didn't then get to sleep until around 6:40pm! I'm a bit confused because for both his nap and BT today he did seem to be showing tired signs - I still find him hard to read but when he gets tired he can get rather crazy/hyper and tends to get more easily wound up, which he was certainly doing today! But in the past, an OT nap has meant hard crying when he wakes, and, (as with the other day when his 1 nap was at 11:50), he may even push me away when I go in to help him resettle, as he burrows into the mattress. Whereas today, I guess he was doing his usual UT thing, both at naptime and BT. Maybe I do need to push him a bit further? Just a bit scared to do that, since after his 11:50 nap day, we had an absolutely awful night!

Ok I'll stop rambling on now and let someone answer! How's everyone else getting on? I was also wondering, does anyone find that the 18mo sleep regression exacerbates the 2-1 if it's around that age? I've only just heard about that one and of course it's giving me something else to worry about

[j.and.e]

DS2 has no routine! At home we have been doing 1nap days. He sleeps for anythingt from 1.15 to 3hrs after lunch. At nursery he has had some crazy 2 nap days including a 3hr am nap then a 1.5hr pm nap! At mil house he often does 2 naps quite close together like 11-12 and 1.30-3.30. Dont know where we are with transition! Xx

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Interesting, j.and.e! Is it possible that he might be getting a bit more tired with some of his 1 nap days, especially the shorter ones, and then make up for it with 2 longer naps at nursery and mil's? What's his childcare pattern each week? And is this a problem for him - e.g. are his nights bad, do you get EW or is he tired and grumpy much of the time? I mean, my DS does 20mins am nap and 2h pm nap at the childminders, but this isn't sustainable for him every day as the nights get too short, so we often have 10mins am nap or even no am nap at home, but then he sometimes gets OT and then needs his 20min nap at the childminders the next day... But then I do find it hard to guess what BT to aim for, and often get it quite wrong!

[j.and.e]

We had a wk of sttn, only bt moving eg 6pm on a home day and anything up to 8.30pm after big nap days. This wk he has had nw and ews, but is teething and now has a tummy bug. Dificult to see where we'r goin. Dont want to advise mil and nursery to change the routine until i know its not working. Xx

[Jem88]

My LO has slept really well all week, with good naps and only 1-2 NWs - Until lastnight we had a good day nap and bedtime wise, she actually slept 6.50pm - 10.30pm which is a first as she's been waking up at th 30min mark after going to bed for around 2 months now lol. But then woke every hour from 10.30 - 3.30am where i brought her into our bed as i was knackred lol. and she slept til 6.30am.

She's at my mums today and i'm hoping she had a pm nap as she tends to either not sleep or only nap an hour at my mums. x

[Syedoo]

Hi everyone. I'm new to this thread. DD is currently 14 months old and I've started her transition to 1 nap.
I had read on one of the threads that a good way to initiate it was to give LO 1 nap one day, then 2 naps another day. However, her days get very long (9 pm and DH is still trying to get her down) with 2 naps - even though the second is simply 15 mins. The days when we have 1 nap, its awesome - perfect timing and in bed between 8 and 8.30.
The only thing I'm worried about with switching to solely one nap is that she will get OT and when she does that, its very hard to break out of it - plus, pregnant with no2 so need all the sleep I can get!
Any suggestions on what I should do??
Don't know where I'd turn to if I didn't have this forum!! Thanks a ton!

[*Kara*]

Welcome Syedoo!

If she does well with one nap, I would try it!  You can always have a 2 nap day whenever she really needs it

[Papaya]

Hi all, I've been on the other 2-1 thread but seeing as DD is well over one now I should probably come and join in here  

We've been properly napcapping since the new year - we started in November but were then travelling for all of Dec so all attempts at a consistent routine went out the window lol.   We have EW usually at around 5 for the past week, but I've been keeping her quiet in her cot where possible til 6. I suspect teeth are playing a part there, but dream meds haven't seemed to help much. I did W2S this morning at 4.15 though, and she slept until 5.45, quiet in cot til 6.15. Woohoo! Could be coincidence but I'll do the same again tomorrow.

I'm trying to do a consistent 30 min AM nap from 9.45 - 10.15, give or take 5 mins, and an afternoon nap from around 1 - 3.15. I've decided to wake her after 2hr15 max - she would do a 2.5-3hr nap but then the pm A time isn't long enough which isn't going to help our EW go away! Not sure if I should be capping it at 2hrs...? But she only does 11hr nights at best, so I don't think 2hr45 is too much day sleep for her.

I'm hoping to hold her on a 30 min AM nap for a while as I don't think she's ready for one nap yet and I don't like the idea of only giving her a tiny CN   For those who have done a really short AM CN like this (10-20 mins) - what sort of A time were you looking at until the PM nap? And how long were you at that stage for?

Haven't had a chance to read back through this thread much yet to see who's here, but glad to have a bit of support on the journey

[*Kara*]

I'm hoping to hold her on a 30 min AM nap for a while as I don't think she's ready for one nap yet and I don't like the idea of only giving her a tiny CN Sad  For those who have done a really short AM CN like this (10-20 mins) - what sort of A time were you looking at until the PM nap? And how long were you at that stage for?

Once we got to the super short AM nap, I used to plan our outings so that she would take this little nap in the car   Then I would wake her when we got to our destination and she was happy as she was distracted by shopping   That phase only lasted a week or 10 days! Then I stayed home for 2 weeks and forced to one nap

[*Kara*]

Forgot to add: after a 15 min CN, we would do about 2 hrs of A time

[Papaya]

Thanks Kara - I don't have a car during the day or even a buggy so sadly that's not an option! But good to know that stage didn't last long.

The W2S seemed to be successful again this morning - 5.55 WU   Another half hour later and I'll be happy!

[*Kara*]

Ugh - hmmm, can you take him for a walk in a baby carrier?  Remember, it's just a CN so you can totally AP if needed!

[Papaya]

I think she'll go down in the cot fine, it's just having to wake her so soon that I don't like the idea of! But if I've got something lined up to distract her it should be ok  

Also, it's the only nap of the day that I get as DH takes over at 1pm, so am not looking forward to having only 15 mins to do all my housework . At least when she's on one nap I'll get the first half of it!

[j.and.e]

do housework with her, she mite like to help and u need ur sleep! We are not worrying bout 2.1 now as ds2 is poorly :-( hope we can get back on track when he's better xx