Support for dropping the nap part 9.

[*Kara*]

Ugh... I just can't do it ladies... she has never been one to have a monster night (her record is 12 hr 45mins and that was after her first run of 3 NNDs).

But, good news!!!  She napped 90 mins yesterday with some OT resettles but then went to bed at 8pm (had to AP cause the SA was bad again!), she slept well until 415am - called out but resettled before i got the 10 feet down the hall to her room, and then slept until 655am!  PHEW!  Down for a nap today at 230pm and I will wake at 4pm.  BT 8pm.  She still needed to be APd for her nap but seemed to deal with being popped into the crib better than she has in a week so the OT is going away slowly! 

In other news - I did some quality Google research and found a fair bit of info about a regression between 27-31 months that is similar to what we are all going through... they seem to want to drop the nap but in fact it's more an issue of development (language primarily).  Seems that they are really starting to understand that not only can they speak, but that we understand them and have a conversation fairly easily now.. and of course, they are now very aware that while they are in bed, mommy is somewhere else likely have far too much fun without them   The regression seems to last a few weeks to a few months... main issues are troubles getting to sleep and also staying asleep...

[Mama_Mia]

and also staying asleep...

Thats M right now, he has very happily stayed up all night for the last 2 nights. Unfortunately he still wont nap even when he only gets 8.5 hrs night sleep.

[ZacsMumme]

Lol kara. Just today we had our first battle for Zs nap. Sounds exactly as you describe! 2.5 is apparently a period of inbalance for them too. They settle down closer to 3

[*Kara*]

Thank goodness - only 7 more months of this silliness

Woke Alexandra after 90mins and she was totally fine!  YAY!  Happily went to bed at 815pm...

[Aishi]

we're spiralling into an ot mess here . Wu was 6.30 yesterday and i tried for a nap at 1 for about an hrs but he didn't nap. couldn't do bt earlier than 7.30. Wu was 6.20!! less than 11 hrs... that's two nights of 11 hrs on the back of 12hr+ nnds.

im going to try for nap again today but if he doesn't take it how early bt ? he just doesn't tack on 

if he naps im back to where we were a few months ago...14h day with nap and short nights which led to ot eventually hence trying to drop the nap...

[Aishi]

i pd for nap at 1 with bottle and he was asleep by 1.15. still asleep so will wake him by 3.30. hope its enough of a cu...should i pd for bt at 7.30 aiming for sleep by 8 or am i expecting too much of him?

its still going to be a long day as Wu was 6.20....

[lily528]

kara- glad you had a good day, but if it continues like this I'd def try the EBT for a few days...that is what helped us, and honestly she wasn't tacking on too much here either, but I stuck with it and it only took one night where she finally tacked on and we were back to naps most days and no NW's.  can't really hurt to try honestly right?  I truly believe sleep begets sleep you just need to catch her up somewhere...honestly maybe don't cap the nap?! :O I know, a scary thought lol, but I think if she's sleeping than she needs it, especially now with her being OT.  Let her sleep longer, and stick with a normal 8:15 BT she may surprise you.  My dd napped 2-5 one day and went down to bed beautifully at her regular 8pm BT...just a thought

as for us, we are napping most days and no more crying out at night...whew...I'm hoping this is the regression that will come to an end soon, but I'm accepting we may not nap every day and on those days I will EBT.  Hope things turn around for you ladies. 

[ZacsMumme]

Aishi, great you got the nap. Honestly do whatever works to get it!

[Aishi]

thanks Sara. bt was a fiasco tho only just fallen asleep at 9.20....

i think important just going to have to try 10.5h days and hope that after a few days of ebt  that he will tack on...if not i guess ill have to keep a capped nap and do long days like today : /...

[*Kara*]

I think we are caught up!

DD slept 90 mins the last 2 days for nap, 11 hr nights both times and is much better today... so much so that she threw a fit about taking a nap today  

That said, I have figured out what is causing her to wake at 5am... she's cold   We are just in a weird time with the weather.. it's warm at night when she goes to bed but cools off and by early morning, she's a bit chilly.. So, tonight I will turn the heat off in the house around dinner time so the house cools down to 20C, then I can use her heavier sleepsack!  Should work... with some luck!  I did have to help her to sleep last night, but it's certainly getting better in terms of her OT/SA issue.. and nap today, I did put her down awake without a screamfest right away - it took 15 mins before she asked me to come snuggle... and then she went right to sleep so def getting much better!

Hugs Aishi... the OT spiral sucks... and generally leads to some serious AP needed here...

[Aishi]

last night 9.30-6. 8.5h night. this is after a cu nap of 2 hrs and a 15hr day!!. wth?"??!

i thought our sleep troubles were cos we were co sleeping and he was sleeping on bottle. i st him and his sleep has gotten worse!!

i give up. this kid just doesnt like to sleep. ill just let him stay awake till he crashes and he can decide how much sleep he needs! he obviously knows better!

rant over.

[ZacsMumme]

Hugs aishi. Maybe put a thread n the main board for some eyes. Someone may have btdt and shave some good ideas to help

[Mama_Mia]

thanks Sara. bt was a fiasco tho  only just fallen asleep at 9.20....

IMO he was OT, sleep begets sleep so even with the long nap I would have tried BT earlier, say his normal time and if he didnt go to sleep right away no big deal but at least he had the option. But I dont know how feasible that is for you, with M he likes being in his crib and never cries to get out so its no big deal if he plays around for an hour before going to sleep. I still to this day will swear that cutting the day down to 12 hours makes a huge difference (with a nap) after a couple days of it things got better around here, no nw's no ot issues, but then he went to no nap so I cut his day down to 10.5 hours.

ill just let him stay awake till he crashes

I know your just venting, but that is never a good idea, I have heard so many people say that if you just let them stay awake sooner or later they will sleep, but I found out the hard way that is so not true. There was a point in M's life when he literally forgot how to sleep, took him to the doc and the doc agreed that he had skipped so much sleep that he just couldnt remember how to sleep and stay asleep, it took awhile of ap'ing but we finally re-taught him how to sleep. Hang in there hun, it is such a delicate balance getting the right amount of sleep.

[Aishi]

thanks for the support ladies. just having a hard few days.

i was just venting mama c but i appreciate the warning. i didnt realise how much worse it could get !!

i tried for ebt yesterday but he was having none of it! wu was 6.30 nap 1.15-3.30 and pd for bt wqs 8. he chattered quietly till 9.30...

today wu was 6.10, nap 12.30-2.10 uncapped and pd for bt 7. again he chattered.till asleep at 8.10

dyt still ot??

ill see how we get on tonight Sara an may start a thread if things still going pear shaped xx

[*Kara*]

I agree with Mama_C hun.. he's way OT...

The first day with the 2 hr 15 min nap, I would have PD for bedtime at 8pm too, but would have used AP to get him to sleep sooner... I am all for independent sleep, but OT will always make your IS resistant to drifting off until they are too far gone...  All it takes is a wee touch of OT and they will resist BT/nap but AP them down and you can put a quick stop to it (at least I can here!).

Today was OT as well... he woke after less than a 2 hr nap after a super short night - OT for certain.  I do think AP might save your sanity here... will he let you rock him to sleep?