Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 6

[ladymugg]

Yay and she was

[ginger428]

Don't know where else to post but here I guess.

Ugh...I've Been up since 3:45. DS up since 4:45 or earlier and will not settle. Only a 10ish hr night.
I don't know how we're going to make it to the 10:30 nap.

[ladymugg]

Ouch   Keep going it will get better.  FX

And go get another coffee

[ginger428]

I know all these transition trial and errors take time, but another 4:30am WU this morning was brutal. 

[ladymugg]

What time of the day should I be aiming for, for that single nap?  I know it "depends on the individual child" but was trying to do some maths and be practical too...

Approx
6.30 am WU
6.30 pm BT

You'd think 12.30 would be the appropriate time but what an annoying time for baby to have her nap (amiright?).  I guess I had 1.30 in my head but if she slept 2 hours would a 3.30 pm wake up be detrimental to successful BT?

[ginger428]

Hi lady!
I was told that 12 and 12:30 is ideal for this age. But yes, depends on the baby! I bet your LO can handle whatever ends up being consistent. My thought is that the closer to 7 or 7:30 their WU is, the more a 1 or 1:30 pm nap is ideal.  That will however probably push BT to 7:30/8:00.

[ladymugg]

Great - thanks ginger.  I hope those 4.30a, WUs stop for you soon

[ginger428]

It's almost 3 and I'm up because I accidentally woke DS during a dream med and apparently I have insomnia.   

Forgot to mention that I'm shooting for awake times of 6 in morning and 4-5 before bed. So a 6 WU, 12ish nap, etc...

[ladymugg]

Ah right... makes sense.  I've recovered throughout the day today on the thought of a 12/12.30 pm nap.  I just had to get over myself a little bit

Tomorrow starts 3 days of 11.15 am naps... so only 9 days until we are at 12 pm.

When do I drop the afternoon nap - when we get to 12 pm or before then?  At the moment she is sleeping til 1pm(ish) so I pushed out afternoon nap to 3.30pm BT (so I guess 3.45 sleep, then 45 min, WU 4.30pm), I wouldn't want it any later than that given 6.30 pm BT.

Maybe dropping it at the 11.30 mark makes sense.

I feel like a doofus asking these questions, but the book gets kinda vague about that bit. 

[Mariellamom]

Hi ladies, would like to join in. I've posed an individual post, got lots of good advice and now will be going down this bumpy road Hope reading your experiences will help a lot!
My DD is 9,5 months. 2 weeks ago she started refusing nap 2, a week ago refused EBT. Our A times are very long.
Sometimes our night is quiet after an hour nap during the day, another night she is up at 1-2am after a good nap. Most nights no OT awakenings after A time 5-6 hrs before bed!
Also 2 weeks ago she stopped falling asleep easily. It looks like our easy going independent sleeper turned into a newborn, but a bit differently. She crawls, stands/walks in her crib for over an hour, sometimes 2 hours before she falls asleep. Most of the times I have to keep putting her down many times before bedtime... Several times had to leave her to cry because lost my patience and just left the room!  she was asleep in 2 min. then! Now I am afraid of every nap time or bedtime because it is so frustrating!
She is very LSN and a very light sleeper.
Anyways for now I am trying to figure out the best time for her fixed nap and BT.
Looking forward to your posts!
Thank you

[ladymugg]

Hi there, without knowing your circumstances or your previous post, I just wonder a couple of things:

- Do you think teething might be the reason for the disrupted sleep?
- What kind of sleep props or routine do you use for getting her to sleep?

I am not an expert at all on the 2-1 nap transition, but I just wonder (this is me not knowing, so asking a question) - is 9.5 months a little early for the 2-1 transition?  I don't know, just it seems that way.  I know they say signs of this can start as early as 10 months... 

Have you been keeping a bit of a log just to see if there are any patterns?

Anyway to answer a couple of the questions you actually asked (sorry for my nosiness) - what time is she napping now?  At around that age my daughter (now 13 mo) was at fixed nap times of around 10 am and 3 pm, this was with a 6am WU and 6.30pm BT. 

Form those times I have been working towards the 2-1 transition using the "15 minutes later for 3 days", today we are at 11.30 - and a 4pm catnap if that happens.  I think we will stop at 12.30.

The reason I asked earlier about the teething is my LO is a bit of a late teether (she got 2 teeth in 2 days this weekend, making her grand total of 5), and the other week she was a bit all over the show with her naps and then a tooth popped out.  I think the shorter naps were definitely because of pain.  It passed within a few days.  Just wondering is all!  (I'm pretty oblivious when it comes to teething though I will admit, I think sometimes it is easy to blame things on teething so then I go the opposite end of the spectrum and almost ignore the signs... oops).

Anyway hope that helps?  (It probably doesn't - but hi anyway )

[Martini~]

Hi Ladies - just popping in with some support as just went through 2:1.

Couple of questions I found in your previous posts
- I think optimal is not earlier than 12 but many will start being on one nap with having it at 11:30am
- what's the best time for a noon nap depends on you and your child; firstly its a good moment to start setting a BT at specific hour; best schedule for 12noon nap is 7/7; if lo will start to shorten the nap significantly (less than 1:20-1:30), will refuse 12 noon nap or will be waking earlier and earlier it's a good moment to push the nap; but it's worth mentioning that many kiddos will stay with a nap at 12/12:30 until they drop the nap completely and some will need a nap at 1:30/2:00 just after starting on one nap; hear to your LO and choose th best
- I wouldn't push dropping the catnap no matter what time noon nap is but offer it not later than X:X so to preserve bedtime; sometimes LO won't need a catnap after 1:30 noon nap and sometimes they will need it even after 2:00 noon nap. I kept offering a nap around 4/4:30 the latest, usually in a pram or car seat and capped it at 10-15min; it really helped us to keep OT at bay during this transition.

[Mariellamom]

Hi Martii,  thanks for support and a good structured information !
So,  if you did a CN at 4:30, what was your A time before BT?
If CN was refused what was your BT then? 
We ve just went through a cold,  So will see what will happen after that. She had two days with two naps,  one in the car. Before that no matter what we did, she wouldn't sleep in the afternoon.
The nights are getting shorter now,  But I did not wake her up from her naps due to a cold. Today she had 2h20 min total. Woke up from nap 2 at 17:00. And didn't fall asleep until 20:15. Probably wasn't tired enough.
Ladymugg,  no problem for asking,  at all!!!
My DD's actual age 42 weeks, so it is almost 10, 5 months.
But I see now that almost all these months I gave her too short of an A time which almost constantly caused her to have short naps. only when I increased A times significantly,  she started napping more than an hour. Now it is very often 1hr20. Which is a lot in comparison to almost always 35-45 min naps.
I don't think she is teething very actively. It is on and off it seems like.
Her only prop at BT is me, sitting near her crib. If I leave she is not calming down. At a night feed DH puts her down and leaves and she is fine.
I gUess for this one I will start GW. But how to do it if she stands up constantly before BT...?! It takes up to an hour or more to keep preventing her from 'climbing up'. She has lots of time for that during the day, but it seems she can't stop being active.
Her nights are better now. Only up around 4-5 am.

[Mariellamom]

Ladymugg, thanks for suggestions! Teething,  oh, I really blame everything very often on teething . I think I posted two weeks ago that she was teething,  and am waiting for teeth to come out, but nothing ( she has two at the moment). Even was thinking this cold is just a teething development,  but we got it too. Also,  I was giving her teething meds, which didn't help her naps/nights.
It looked like she was or is in her WW, but also looks like 2/1 transition also.
Anyways,  will keep offering nap 2 and see what happens.
:-)

[Martini~]

Before transition we had a schedule of 11:45-13:15 nap (I woke but in nursery he was waking by himself at 1:30h mark). Then catnap at 4:00. Very short second A but as I was pushing this first A very much, he was really ready to go for a second nap at 2:30. Catnap lasted not longer than 30min as I was waking. 4:00pm was quite strict for a catnap as that was the moment I came back home and could do the pick up from the nursery. When he was tired he went staight to sleep and was doing 25-30min till 4:30. When less tired he could have anything like 10min and he was also fine with that. If he fall asleep at 4:20/4:30, I let him sleep 10-15min. BT was set at 7pm always. Never any refusals. But his second nap was always very short. I think I started capping to max 20min when he was not refusing but seemed full of energy at bath:).
Than first nap became shorter, he started waking after 1:15. So I kept second nap at 3:30 and still let 20-30min (it was Xmass so I could plan it somehow without nursery:)! And in January when he was 10.5 we started pushing nap to 11:45/12:00, I stopped capping so his naps started to be some days 1:45-2:00. And I started to offer catnap in a pram. It was a hit and miss as he could do it after 2:00 first nap and refuse it after 1:30 nap but I think it was the element of self regulation for him. So ask walk in a pram 4:00-4:30. If he fall asleep - 10min, if not get him out up in the pram and just act as he is not tired:).HTH