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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #195 on: September 25, 2013, 15:24:32 pm »
Hugs hun it's never ending :-( no advice really as my LO is a nightmare at the moment with regards to sleep but just didn't want to read and run! x
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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #196 on: September 25, 2013, 15:57:48 pm »
Hey there,
So sorry you are still struggling with A's sleep. I know my advice is going to go against what everyone elee is saying but I wonder if he is UT at nap time. His nights are amazing, so I wonder if he needs a nap past noon at this point. My DS did 60-75 minute naps until one day I decided to bit the bullet and put him down at 12:30 (from a 6:30 wu) and we finally got 2 hour naps. His nights were also grea (11.5-12 hours) but I could not get past the short nap hump. By 14 months he was getting about 13-13.5 hours of sleep in 24 (which is the norm around this age).  So his day looked like this:

wu 6:30
nap 12:30-2:30
bed 7/7:30

Often on one nap older babies ( I know he is young, but has been on one nap for a while and the advice is often to push the nap past the noon hour) tend to do better with a later nap (12:30/1). This might also help you to push out his AM wu time. It might be worth trying for a bit, to see if it would work. Perhaps he is in an UT/OT loop again? Hugs xx

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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #197 on: September 25, 2013, 16:31:38 pm »
Thanks for your replies, ladies.  He's was rubbing his eyes and crying all morning, poor little guy, so I PD at 11:23 and he was asleep within 5 min - hope he sleeps long :-\. I gave him something for his teeth before his nap (tbh, I do this before almost every nap just to rule out teething) just in case he's teething, even though I'm pretty sure he's just simply really tired.

I think it is possible he's in an UT/OT loop, but I just don't know how to tell the difference between being UT and OT.  I'm not sure why he'd wake after 30-35 min if he's UT.  If his nap was 60-75 min and he woke happy then I'd be certain he's UT but the fact that he wakes up crying after his first sleep cycle (usually) and wakes crying after the 2nd sleep cycle makes me think he's OT.  I don't know?  He had a few good nights this past week where he didn't have any NWs at all ( ;D) but most nights the the weeks before that and then again last night, have several NWs so I'm not so sure his nights are super great  :-\, but at least we don't get super long NWs.  His nights could definitely be worse so I'm grateful for that.
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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #198 on: September 25, 2013, 19:15:04 pm »
Char do you get out in the morning to distract him? Like go for a walk aroud 10 so he is resting but not sleeping to keep him from being so miserable. I know C is messy around 10 am but if I put her down, she sleeps 20-30 mins after 3 hours A and a 12 hour night so there is no way she is OT. She is just a big faker. C also wakes crying sometimes after short naps. I don't think in her case it is always due to OT. My DS did this too. So I take her outside and she is as happy as a lark.

What if you pushed him to 5-5.5 hours A or no nap before 12/12:30 even. I just wonder if he is not tired enough to transition. Then by bedtime is OT from not enough restful sleep. Many babies go from needing their nap at 11:30-12:30 really fast. Like 4.5 A-5.5 A quickly. What is the worst that could happen at this point if you just pushed him far? He can't be that OT if he is having super good nights, you know? He may just surprise you. Like I said, my DS started sleeping 2 hour naps on 6 hours A at 14 months.

I think with a 11.75 hour night you can't expect much more than about an 1.5 hour sleep, you know? How much total A time is he getting in the day? I posted over at confusedmommy's post about needing about 10.5 at this age. Maybe even a bit more.

I dunno. I sure wish I had all the answers. I hate baby sleep and will be glad when C is no longer napping. Seriously.  :-*


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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #199 on: September 25, 2013, 19:17:34 pm »
I agree with jcsmum.
Also. t acts tired when he gets hungry. He also acts tired when he is bored ::) we often get the sleepiness at 3 hrs too but if he is distracted or out he is perfectly fine!

If you think it's poss OT you just have to pull the A back and see what he does....if he short naps still YK it's unlikely OT. :-\
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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #200 on: September 25, 2013, 19:39:46 pm »
Well at least I got today right  ::).  Going with the 11:30 set nap instead of a 5 hr A time meant an A time of 4 hr 35 min but he ended up sleeping until 1:30 (thank goodness).  He did wake up after 25 min (which he tends to do when he reaches a whole new level of OTness) and for the next hour woke every 5-10 min and then finally slept a solid 30 min and woke at 1:30.

He usually doesn't act tired or cranky, he's generally very happy and will entertain himself for long periods of time.  If he does get a tad fussy,he's easily distracted or gets over it if I give him a little cuddle.  It's only in the last few days that he's had total melt downs before his nap and after supper before BT.  This morning however he was just totally miserable and I think the fact that he slept 2 hrs after a 4 hr 35 min A confirms that he was just plain tired.

I agree that I have nothing to lose by pushing his nap later.  His total A time for the day is between 10.75-11.25 hrs so he is definitely getting adequate A times.  It's very rare that he gets more than 13 hrs total sleep in a 24 hr period due to his nearly constant short naps. Pushing his nap will simply mean a longer A time before the nap and a shorter A time to take us to BT so I'm game to try it.  How do I start?  Just jump right to his nap being no earlier than 12?
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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #201 on: September 26, 2013, 17:35:49 pm »
I am so weary of writing on this board but I'm really in need of some help.  I sincerely wish I could manage this on my own but I simply cannot figure out my son and don't know what to do.  He woke crying this morning at 5:40, slept 5:50-5:55 and then spent the next 45 min trying to fall back asleep and then just rolling around so I got him up at 6:40. 

Did his nap at 11:35 as I didn't know if I should push his nap today and if I should by how much.  Plus, since he woke at 5:55 I figured he certainly shouldn't be UT.  Well he woke up after 40 min and has been sitting and crying for since then (30 min now) and is showing no signs of going back to sleep.  He'll lie down for a few min mantra crying then sit back up and continue mantra crying.  He sounds absolutely miserable and is starting to escalate.

Please help :'(.  Do I go in and rock?
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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #202 on: September 26, 2013, 18:05:27 pm »
He is beyond miserable.  I went in and tried to rock and he just moaned and cried in my arms.  I gave up after 15 min as it was clear he wasn't going to fall back asleep.  He is now sitting on the floor crying and crying.  Where has my happy boy gone? I'm ready to cry myself.  40 min of sleep today....not good. I gave him something for his teeth before his nap just in case he's teething so that shouldn't be the issue.  What on earth do I do?  Do I drive him around and do a CN?  IF so, what time?  Or a SEBT?  I'm leaning in the direction of 5:30 BT as I do not know if I have it in me drive around a screaming boy to try to get a CN in.   I've never done that early but he is bound to have multiple NWs so maybe he'll still sleep until 6:30.  I don't know what to do. Please help.
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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #203 on: September 26, 2013, 18:57:44 pm »
Hugs Hun, go for the EBT and see if he will do a god long cu night. As for tomorrow maybe try a cu day. Just APOP if he wakes at 30-40 mins. :-\
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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #204 on: September 26, 2013, 19:08:13 pm »
Thank you Sara! I appreciate the input so much.  You are a dear!  :-*

He has a runny nose now and refused everything for lunch #2 (I give him lunch #1 right before his nap) except rice.  He is not usually a fussy eater so I'm wondering if the rice was acceptable because he doesn't really chew it and perhaps he doesn't want to chew because he's teething?   I know there's conflicting opinions about whether a runny nose is a sign of teething but he doesn't seem sick at all, just a runny nose.  And he's miserable unless I'm right beside him or holding him.  Perhaps his molars are coming in and all of this really is teething related.  I sure hope so  :-\.  Hopefully tonight doesn't go too poorly and we'll see what tomorrow brings...
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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #205 on: September 26, 2013, 19:31:55 pm »
Bless you both it's horrid isn't it! My LO often has cold symptoms with teeth! I feel your despair I feel like giving up...my LO was up from 3.30am till 5am just drifting off then waking up! I ended up sat by his cot most of that time! We had playgroup this am so I thought I'd give him 20 min CN in car and would he nod of noooooo of course not! Then we got home at 12.15 so I thought he must be shattered slept 20 mins then woke up and no rocking would get him back off....I ended up driving then parked in our drive for an hour and half at 2.30pm!!! It's all a mess....u are soooooo not alone lol ;-) x
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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #206 on: September 26, 2013, 19:48:21 pm »
Hugs to you both.  No real advice, just some support regarding horrendous naps.  With my older DS, I've had my fair share of APOP for naps.  He would nap for daycare lady, but with me he would only nap while driving (cosleeping didn't even work).  So for his entire toddlerhood I would have to drive around until he dropped off, then park my car and wait 1.5-2 hours while he napped.  I did this until he dropped his nap around age 3.

With DD, she is a very light sleeper, so naps at daycare often require APOP by daycare teachers.  Notorious for waking at the 40 minute mark and teachers would have to pat her back down to extend her naps.  Otherwise I'd end up with an OT baby at pickup.  And her nights are not that long either (10.5 hours is norm).  At home, we have to be super quiet while she naps, otherwise we'd get a short nap.

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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #207 on: September 26, 2013, 20:58:38 pm »
Thanks ladies.  While I wouldn't wish sleep woes upon anyone it certainly does help to know I'm not alone. Zoe.....that sounds awful.  At least you could park and he slept, though.  Anytime I've driven my LO around (and goodness have we spent a fortune on gas over the past year driving him around) I had to keep driving, otherwise he'd wake up if I'd stop the car  :P.  I'm so sorry to hear things are so awful, though.  You must be exhausted with all the lost sleep! Hugs to you for sure.

Mama2Athena.....it sounds like you certainly understand too!  Ah well, one of these days naps will be over and apparently I'll barely remember all this  ;)!  Anyway, off I go to make an early supper (hopefully he doesn't wake up early from hunger tomorrow :-\).
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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #208 on: September 27, 2013, 00:36:18 am »
Oh Hun it does sound like he is a bit poorly...maybe he is getting sick? And yes, I have to say T is quite a cheerful boy but when he is teething he can be rotten! He's fine distracted but that's it YK? When you try med before the nap do you give brufen or paracetamol? - tbh today I gave T both :o but I know he needs it as we have two top teeth about to cut and he is refluxing.
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Re: The 2-1 journey continues....
« Reply #209 on: September 27, 2013, 09:46:23 am »
I give both meds too, paracetamol first then ibruprofen after lunch or snack before bed! My LO normally wakes when I stop the car too so I was amazed lol x
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