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« Reply #780 on: November 12, 2005, 12:05:15 pm »
Judy-WAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.  I so hope you didn't jinx yourself by telling us about it!
I was only in the chat room about 20 min.  I scared off all the UK people, then Cole woke up...and I never went back.  sorry :oops:

You are an inspiration.  Cole is eating solids like a madman.  There is no reason he shouldn't be sleeping through either.  I think I've been using teething as an excuse.  Not sure why he keeps waking.  Last night was better.  Only two extra wakings and DH got him for the late one.  When he woke up to feed I discovered that DH had taken him to the spare room with him :evil:   I wonder how long he tried to settle him?  5 min. perhaps. Then Cole was up at 4:30, gave him one boob (which he shouldn't need!), back down at 4:45 and up for good at 5!  I was thinking during that early feed-there is no way I should be doing this.  SO, PUPD it is for me tonight.  Thank you so much for posting and giving me hope!  If you can do it...I most certainly can too.
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« Reply #781 on: November 12, 2005, 12:35:22 pm »
Good luck Traci.  I was getting such awful sleep I figured - how much worse could it be to struggle through pu/pd for 3nights, a week?  Not any worse than it already had been for months!!

AND......... last night....... not one single wake up!! NOT ONE!!!  They fed at 6.30pm then bed about 7.15pm and woke at 6.15am.

Hee heeeeeeee.  I went to bed at midnight :)  I was stuck on here so darn excited about Stacy having twins!!!!!

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« Reply #782 on: November 12, 2005, 12:54:32 pm »
Judy - That is soooo great, I am really happy for you, now we just have to get you to bed at a decent hour :wink: !

Traci - Good luck and please vent vent away all you need!

I went on the preggy thread to check it out as all the talk about Stacy was going on and DH and I have decided to TTC! :shock:  :D  I don't want to jinx it either as DD was 3 years in coming...long story....

Hayley - please take care of yourself.  I got mastitis 6 weeks after Sophie had weaned very gradually from the breast.

Hannah - well done on the successful dryrun.

Kate - LOL.  I can always count on your posts for a chuckle and thought to myself this girl must be REALLY funny if she actually did hit the sauce :wink: !

Hi to everyone else - I gotta be quick, I am at work then have a baby shower to attend.  I bought the mom to be a the Baby WHisperer, hope she loves it!
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« Reply #783 on: November 12, 2005, 14:19:49 pm »
okay, I have a bit of a dilemma, I can't seems to get Riley down for a daytime nap without a fight, BUT she will go from about 7pm or so until 7am or, give or take an hour.
I slacked off once again, stupidhead that I am, as she was sick last week, so I concentrated on making her comfy more than the routine. The only thing that stuck with it was the bedtime stuff.
Yesterday-Friday- I tried at 10:30 to pd, she was up at 11:05am after a 20min nap, then she was up until about 1pm or so, had an hour nap with me, and then as my friend is living with us, she got her to have another 10 mins on her.
It is getting kinda hard to find the steam to get thro the day as we have taken away Jayson's nap, which is making his bedtime pd alot easier.
Any sugggestions, I would like to do pupd properly, but, with having Jayson, and it only normally being me in the day, I don't want to take that time away from Jayson, but with her not napping, that is also taking away from ourtime together as well.
As you can see, I am kinda stuck, not sure what to do, I thought I would ask you ladies first before I post my queries elsewhere.
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« Reply #784 on: November 12, 2005, 14:57:40 pm »
Judy-any tips/advice on doing PUPD with this age?  Did you find it hard as they are so aware?  Any particular pages in BWSAYP that helped you more than others?  I think I'll be okay...I'm just so afraid I'll be waffling in the middle of the night :oops:   Want to be sure I'm 100% prepared!
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« Reply #785 on: November 12, 2005, 15:44:37 pm »
I'm feeding right now and don't have the book within reach but I was reading the portion for 6-8 month olds.  What I do is this:

(keep in mind my babies tummy sleep)

I lay them down and say to them "time for sleep", then lay my hand on their back for a second or two.  Either they seem to settle right in to the mattress to sleep or they fuss a bit.  If they fuss I pick them up and roll them into me so they are in a lying down position now facing me (b/c again, they are on their tummies in the crib).  I tell them again "time for sleep" and kiss them (because who can resist that sweet soft temple anyway :) ).  If they are just fussing and sound like they might calm within 20sec or so I hold them till that point and then immediately lie them back down (sorta unroll them onto their tummies again) and put my hand on their back for as long as I feel they might need (Tracy suggests doing this till they are asleep but I feel if they are calmly lying there and continue to after I remove my hand then I let them get to sleep on their own).

Now if they don't settle when I pick them up I say/do the same thing but lie them right back down still crying.  Sometimes they'll settle again once put down - because they really do want to lie down so picking them up is not really what they wanted.  If once laid back down, they don't settle I do it all again.  Eventually they seem to get that it's time to sleep and work at settling themselves.  I don't rub or pat their backs at all.  I do it on my own because dh can't stick with it over and over, he starts to feel they need something else like a pat or a rub or to roll over and stare at him for a bit ?? (yeah - that's a real sleep promoter there! ;))

Sometimes I also just talk calmly to them while they lay down to see if that helps too - with my hand on their back I'll say "time for sleep" instead of picking them up.  It either seems to help right off or it doesn't. 

Biggest point I think is to just be determined to stick with it no matter how long it takes.  I was really glad the first long session was at the 11pm wakeup because I didn't feed at this wakeup anyway so no need to second guess their need at that time.  Then they slept right through till morning so the next night I knew for sure, they'd proven to me, they didn't need to feed in the night - just wanted the suckling.

Remember all the difficulty getting them to bed at night?  That's gone, they go to sleep so easily now.  Usually a pu for Hannah but it's so much easier than patting for the 40-60 minutes that was happening.  The patting really did seem to start stimulating her too much.

Traci if Cole's eating so well with solids and nursing too, being a good healthy weight I really would feel confident that he can drop this night feed - it's just habit.  K&H are just 14lbs or so and not really eating solids enough to make a difference AND since starting this I've actually dropped an evening feed.  They were getting 5 feeds (not counting middle of the night feedings), I was clustering in a 5.15pm ish feed and then a 7pm feed.  Well I changed that to just one 6.30pm feed and now no night feedings and they're doing it wonderfully!!! :)

It's tough I think when things are 'tolerable' right, because it may be worse before better for a day or maybe two... for me it couldn't have gotten any worse.  I was so motivated to be exhausted for a few more days if it meant starting to actually get sleep.  And I read in the book that bad sleep habits at 6months only progress and it's harder to break habits at a year (makes sense right? if 6months is harder than 3months then 12months is gonna be a bear compared to 6months).

I'm gonna say it again.  Honestly.  IF there's anything that's going to shake your confidence, make you wonder if they aren't ready, make you question whether or not you can make it through then work these things out in your mind before you start because if you start half or three quarter hearted and then give in you've caused both of you stress only to start back at square one.

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« Reply #786 on: November 12, 2005, 16:41:29 pm »
Great words to the wise Judy.
Good luck Traci...hope last night went well.

I wanted to clarify, I guess for myself more than anything.  My issue with SIL, it seems like her attitude is if she can't have the same realtionship with Sophie that she had with Brendan then she wants no relationship at all.  Like I said I would almost rather it be that way but...it's hard. Anyone else experience this with family?

OK, gotta run, literally.  :)
I am just soooooo happy for you Judy and for you Traci. 
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« Reply #787 on: November 12, 2005, 17:17:29 pm »
hi girls!!

Judy!!  Yippy for you!!!  So glad you are getting some zzzz's now!

Traci-I also pick Jack up the same way Judy described-I call it the log-roll.  One hand under his head one under his bum and just roll him in towards me and cuddle/hold until he settles or if his arching his back and pushing away from me (not longer than one min. max) then roll him off my arms back onto mattress.  Jack is a side sleeper but the techinque works the same as Judy's tummy sleepers.

Hannah-sorry I don't have the same family problems as you but I can definitely sympathize....I have an overbearing MIL but I have spoken my mind with her and she has backed off quite a bit.  I hope things go well with your SIL!!! :shock:  :D
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« Reply #788 on: November 12, 2005, 19:41:03 pm »
Hi! 

Micky - So happy to hear that Jack is doing so well! 
Hayley - I was cringing at the weaning story.  Ouch

Thanks for the great advice Judy and I'm glad you're getting more sleep! We're following in your footsteps.

I've been slacking off a bit with Sol this week with his teething and came very close to creating a mini-monster.  I had to start pu/pd last night since getting him to go down required swinging, patting and sometimes feeding.
Last night it took almost 10 mins for him to stop crying (i think I left him too long and he got really upset) After that it was pu/pd for another 10.  Once he'd settled I held him tummy to tummy as well for a few seconds.
I put him into the crib on his tummy but he likes to roll over and look at me for a minute. I guess it doesn't help but he sure looks cute.  When he does that I don;t look at him but look straight ahead.  He made noise to get my attention but I wouldn't look at him. Then slowly walked out.

It worked!!! I had to do it for his morning nap and it only took about 5 mins to get him settled. 

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« Reply #789 on: November 12, 2005, 19:46:35 pm »
Hi to all
My name is Mel and I am mum to 7 month old Holly.  This is my first go in this forum and am looking forward to having some good chats with you all and, of course, you all solving my baby problems!  :D
I have been married to Matt for 9 years, together for 16!  Holly is our first baby and at 33 quite a lifestyle change!  But I have to say she is an absolute joy and gives us fun and laughter everyday.  I would say she is Angel/Textbook except for the usual absolutely hating to go to sleep - she might miss something!
We have been on EASY since she was 6 weeks old and she really responded to it.  By 10 weeks she was sleeping through the night with the DF at 10pm.  But at 5 1/2 months teething hit and I think I did some accidental parenting because since then she just hasn't slept through.  At first it was just waking and chatting to herself then going back to sleep which then graduated to crying fits or just needing to put the dummy back in.  It is now just comfort, I go in and put my hand on her and shush and she goes back to sleep.  But 5 times a night does your head in :shock:
I was in shock!  I had quite quickly forgotten what it was like to get no sleep.  The problem is how do you combat it??  Matt and I decided early on that we were not going to do the leave to cry or controlled crying so what is left?  With a baby who has decided that she can't possibly go back to sleep by herself  (what were you thinking mum? :wink: )
I am hoping it is just a stage ( for the last 2 months!!)
So I am hoping that all you wonderfuls mums out there have lots of advice for me! :)

Sorry for the long post but I thought I would just dive on in.  I am working my way through some of the pages so I can catch up on who you all are and whats been happening.  You sound like a great bunch so heres to getting to know you :P
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« Reply #790 on: November 12, 2005, 20:05:32 pm »
Sorry I have just realised that you have probably all discussed sleep issues to infinity and beyond in your previous posts :oops:
So I should be just reading back through and getting all your gems of advice!  Oh well, I needed to introduce myself and Holly anyway :)

Another quick question, has any of you tried some toast yet?  I tried some yesterday cut into slices with Marmite on which she loved but I had my heart in my throat the whole time worrying about choking so I haven't done it since.  Also, she is not too keen on meat and just gags it out of her mouth.  Any ideas on how to get her to eat some??

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« Reply #791 on: November 12, 2005, 20:51:39 pm »
Judy-thanks for the tips.  I used to pick Cole up over my shoulder but that no longer settles him so I also do the side lying cradle type hold.

When you referred to night feed, did you mean the 10 pm feed or the middle of the night feed?  My only Q now is do I get rid of both?  My concern is that Cole's last feed is at 5:30pm.  But I guess it's the same situation as you...just a couple hours earlier.  He seems to eat well at that feed BUT he hasn't been all that interested in feeding during the day.  So, even though he may be hungry tonight I think I need to bite the bullet and get through tonight, making him hungry tomorrow and hopefully his body will adjust.  *sigh*  or would it be better for now to keep the 10 pm (or lately 9pm) feed and work on the middle of the night feed?  I think that's what I'll do.  Thinking aloud now here as you can tell.  I think if I don't feed at 9 or 10 pm I'll cave at 2am thinking he's hungry.  Okay, mind made up :D   

On a positive note, he took 5 oz. of formula with daddy this afternoon so if the 10 pm feed doesn't disappear then I won't be the only one able to feed him YAY!

Welcome MelW!  I haven't had a chance to read your post properly but will do so tonight or tomorrow and try to answer your sleep Qs.  Don't worry about reading back...we'll just go forward from here.  Have you posted in the other forums as well?  Night Wakings?  That may get you more varied responses than here.  HTH
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« Reply #792 on: November 12, 2005, 22:33:44 pm »
Hi Mel and Holly!  If you look not too far back, you can read about a couple of peoples PU/PD experiences.  Otherwise, like Traci said, the night wakings forum might be helpful.  I personally haven't given toast, but I know some have.

Hey, check out this link - it's some pictures of Katie and her cousin at my sister's yesterday.  Cracks me up!
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Glad to hear everyone is well.  Hannah, feel free to vent about SIL anytime you want.  I am blessed with very nice in-laws, but I know it can be tough.

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« Reply #793 on: November 13, 2005, 01:35:32 am »
Welcome Mel and Holly!  If you read back you'll get some good tips.  I'd like to suggest that crying it out is not the same as letting a baby settle for a little bit.  I let Ryan give a few cries if they are what we call "Fake Cryin' Ryan" cries, but if it's that "OMG, Mom!  Where are you?" kind of cry, I run right in.  Hope that helps...do whatever you and dh think is right, of course!   :)   Re:  toast: I know some of the girls have done toast with cheese melted on top.  I've torn toast into teeny tiny pieces for Ryan to feed himself, but not let him have a whole piece yet. 
That's it for now...should go do something fun on a Sat. night, I suppose.   :roll:   Who has the energy?
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« Reply #794 on: November 13, 2005, 02:58:43 am »
Sorry Traci - we went out to - get this - a Christmas Party tonight.  More just a party/get together with all our friends.  We used to all go out for dinner at least once every weekend and now that we all have kids we get together 3 times in the summer and once in November and call that our Christmas Party.  What a crazy place - 16 adults and as many kids!!

Kaia and Hannah would wake at 11pm and 4am (give or take)  I had not been feeding at the 11pm wakeup for awhile, just the 4am one.  So now they're not getting any feeds between 6.30pm and 6-7am.  Really that's just one hour earlier than Cole.

Keep us posted on what plan you take and how it goes!!! Good luck! You can do it! :)