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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #285 on: March 19, 2008, 11:02:13 am »
Sherlyn please post again on the Easy board and hopefully someone will be able to help you.  I had a look through your routine but dont know what to advise you. Are you on 3 naps and a cat nap? We were on 2 and a cat nap at this stage. 11 hours is not uncommon for night sleep but it doesnt help you really plan a 13 hour day.



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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #286 on: March 19, 2008, 11:46:26 am »
We were on 2 and a cat nap for a short while, then the naps went haywire and he has to take more. We were also on a 3 1/2 hour feeding cycle, but that went out the window with the poor naps too :(
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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #287 on: March 20, 2008, 01:20:07 am »
Fiona - hey!!  Good to see you again.

Sherry Lynn - I am too bleary eyed to give your routine a good go right now.  Off to bed, but I will look tomorrow and see if there's anything I can help with.  I would definitely also post on EASY - they are great :)  Sorry to hear you are still having a rough go.
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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #288 on: March 20, 2008, 23:58:12 pm »
Dear pbmom,
Don't worry too much about going over the schedule in great lengths. It is different every single day.
How much daytime sleep total is he getting?  And how much at night again? 
The lowest amount in the last 10 days has been 82 min. The longest was yesterday which was 3hours and 20 min (it took 4 naps to get that). I thought that might turn us around. He didn't wake after the hour he went to bed last night. He just did tonight :(  But he woke at 6 this morning, ready to go. I totally messed up his first nap. And the day went down hill from there. I'm not going to bother everybody by posting today's mess. Hopefully tomorrow will be better. The day that he only slept 80 min was a weird day. He only slpt 32 min for the first nap. He was over tired from a meltdown the night before. Then the next nap was 50 min? He's been doing that and I don't understand. Even if the first nap is bad he is taking a 50 min nap on the second one. This seems to be true most of the time whether I decrease the A time or not. However, today I didn't decrease the A time because most of the time is fine (and I wanted to wait until 3h to feed) and he only took a 30 min nap for the second nap. :(
His night sleep seems to be between 10 1/2-11 1/2 hours. Sometimes we have night wakings and early wakings.
If you don't count settling time Lyle is only at 1h30m for the first nap and 1h40 for the rest. He is so low on his awake time. I'm sure that is the problem, but boy, increasing it by even ten minutes has caused 11 days of madness.
Do you think I should increase by 5 min tomorrow or so? I tried to increase the second nap to 1,45 on one day when he took a good first nap, and then ended up being a mistake.
Today I worked really hard to put him to bed earlier, but by the time he was up from not taking his cat nap it was 5:47 and I had him back in bed within the hour, he still woke up 48 min after going to bed :( He tried to hard to take the cat nap that I left him in his crib until he fussed. I stayed the whole time with him. Only helping when he fussed.

How does he go to sleep?  Independently?  Or are you there with him helping him along?  When he wakes and he fusses, do you always go right away?  What if you leave him for a bit?  He's not doing the I need you cry, right? 
Before the total disaster that has become our routine he was doing really well. I could place him in his crib and he would go to sleep within about 12min. Now right when he started going to sleep within 12min I started getting 45min naps, that I couldn't extend. I've always had 45min naps, since we started EASY. In hindsight I should have started increasing A time then. But I thought he might Well after the 30min mess we had because he was so overtired. But most of the time I could extend them. So I have equated 12min with bad, I don't know if that's true or now. He seems all over the place. 12 is about the lowest. He usually takes 20-30min to settle. And it seems that I might get a long nap, or a short nap, either way. Now it has come down to I might not even get a nap.
I have been helping him more. And he's been using the paci more. He use to not really use it. But we just started using it to extend his naps :(
I always try to make sure I stop patting when he seems settled.
I do go right in to him when he fusses. I do this because in the past if I don't then there is no chance of resettling him. Do you think I should stop doing that since the naps are not good anyways?
Today I camped out in his room for the third nap and I got a two hour nap. The only real nap of the whole day.
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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #289 on: March 24, 2008, 15:38:04 pm »
Please go read my post in the EASY forum. Help I'm Drowning. I really really need help. Things have only gotten worse. I would suspect because we need to go to a 4 hour EASY, but I don't know how to do that.
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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #290 on: March 25, 2008, 15:03:38 pm »
Has anybody had success with PU/PD to extend naps and what not. I read awhile ago that PU/PD does not work with spirited LO. I'm thinking about trying it, but I don't want to go through all the agony if it isn't going to work.
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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #291 on: March 25, 2008, 18:01:45 pm »
Sorry no Sherryln no real experience,have done pd a few times at nap and bedtime when ds is up on all fours, but never really done it properly. Should really do it for my early wakenings but have a feeling it wouldnt work with him, partly because he has never had to be sleep trained since a baby and my interference would make things worse.
Why dont you post a general question as others who dont post here may reply.



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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #292 on: March 25, 2008, 20:38:01 pm »
Thanks, I think I might do that. Your lucky about the sleep training :) I'm sure you have other things to worry about though :) Such as EW :)
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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #293 on: March 25, 2008, 21:14:25 pm »
i did a little pu/ pd - but only when very very upset and i knew shh/pat wasnt going to work for the minute. most of my luck come with shh/ pat and staying there for up to 15 / 20 mins for early naps wake ups ie the 45 minute mark and for as long as it takes for NW.   

i found pu/ pd also difficult as lo got too heavy.  :)

im sorry things have gotten worse.  hopefully this is a transistion phase to 4 hour easy.

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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #294 on: March 25, 2008, 22:14:44 pm »
Thanks Beck, I hope so too :(
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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #295 on: April 01, 2008, 12:27:59 pm »
Hello,

I'm not new to BW but haven't posted on this forum yet. It's comforting to read through other postings to know I'm not alone. My little boy is 9 months and is very spirited. We started following BW when he was around 4 months and, after a weeks of doing PUPD he went from never sleeping during the day to sleeping 3 times. I was absolutely amazed. After a couple of months we had a great routine where he started sleeping through the night and getting a good 2.5/3hrs sleep a day. Now we're lucky if he gets an hour a day. He'll usually go down for his morning nap without too much of a problem 30 -60 mins  but then, apart from conking out in his buggy mid afternoon, that's usually it until bedtime. Bedtime has been 6pm for the last while but when the clocks went forward we went with them so now it's 7pm. Main reason is we're hoping he'll start waking up at 6am. Before the clocks went back and as of Jan this year, he was waking up at 5am every morning and, when the clocks went forward he started waking an hour earlier, so, still 5am. He cries when he wakes up and cries when I try to put him down again at lunchtime. I often spend an hour trying to get him to sleep but usually give up soon after because he's in such a state. This makes the rest of the day really difficult as he's a cross between crying/hysterical/grouchy/shouty and nothing's any good; he doesn't want to be picked up, he doesn't want to be left, he doesn't want to sit, he doesn't want to stand, he doesn't know what he wants because he's so damn tired and finds it impossible to relax enough to get even slightly drowsy. In fact, over the months, I've realised that manic laughing is he sign for tiredness; no yawning or droopy eyelids here! Winding down is almost impossible, I've resorted to strapping him in to his high chair, turning out all the lights and shutting the blinds to make it as dark as possible but that doesn't really work because he'll easily find something to distract him in the half light. I can't pick him up to calm him down because he instantly starts pushing away to get to that door, that wall, that bit of curtain, anything. When I put him in his cot, he won't stay still for more than a few seconds. He throws himself around winding himself up even more. I've tried everything and have had a lot of advice from this site but I can't make anything work. I keep being told he's overtired and needs more sleep. Don't I know it! BW was brilliant for the first few months but why did it stop working. Does my son need to be sleep retrained? Why are we almost back at square one? I feel like a failure in never being able to reach this magic number of hours sleep and, in a way, wished I'd never started because it was so successful to begin with but then just stopped working. I don't understand. I'm not posting this to get any more advice I just want to add my experience of doing BW with a spirited baby.
Thanks for reading.

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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #296 on: April 01, 2008, 16:49:26 pm »
Clare, big huge hugs to you, I know you have been through so much in the last few months so wont even try to offer more advice. He does sound extremely spirited and extremely ot, one probably not helping the other. How are wake ups since Sunday?
Oh and you are so not a failure, you are doing everything you can and more  :)



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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #297 on: April 01, 2008, 17:52:58 pm »
Hi Fiona,
His wake ups since Sunday, when the clocks went forward, are just the same.  I don't know if it's coincidence or just plain wierd, but at that exact time he started waking an hour earlier in the mornings, so, 4am pre clock change time. So, still on the 5am starts. This morning he managed a 50 min nap then I tried to get him down again at 1.20, no luck, 2.40, no luck until he finally fell asleep on the bottle at 3.15. He only stayed asleep for 20 mins, though. The pediatrician said he doesn't 'look' tired and offered no help. I just feel so helpless. He's so knackered and I can't do anything to help him. I just hope he grows out of it soon.
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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #298 on: April 01, 2008, 17:59:36 pm »
is my son considered a baby or toddler he just turned 16 months old. the reason why i am asking cause he is a spirited child and need help with him but i went to the preschooler board for spirited children and no one has posted on that forum for about 2 months so i was wondering if he was a toddler and if so do you know where the forum is for spirited children of his age range cause i cant find it. please.

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Re: Support for Raising Spirited Babies
« Reply #299 on: April 01, 2008, 18:22:29 pm »
Hmm he is probably in between  :). Go ahead and post, we will try to help if we can.
Clare was hoping you would at least have gotten an hour extra in the am.  Do you want to try your luck here with his schedule? You never know.