Support for dropping the nap part 9.

[gwcarnes]

They are 28 months.  I don't think they are ready to drop the nap but it is a fight most days to get them to take one but once they are asleep they will sleep for two hours many imes.  But if I let them sleep that long then they get up late around 3:30 or 4.  So question is I guess do I let them sleep when thy clearly are tired or wake them?
Yesterday's eas
7:20 wake
1:30 -3:30 nap I let them sleep because they were so tired and had been so having one melt downs.

We were in the bed by 8:30 but not asleep till after 9 with major Ot.  One twin plus hair out when she's tired and man was she pulling it hard last night.  I know we should have been in bed soon but just couldn't get there.
So I really don't know how to fix the Ot.  Just get them inbred as early as possible?

[gwcarnes]

Oh and let me add that the nw's are killing me both of them are waking at separate times and staying away for 1 to 2 hours.  Has to be Ot right?

[ZacsMumme]

Hugs
What about capping the nap at 1.5 and then going for EBT for a few days ie
WU 7
Nap 1-2.30
BT 6.30/7 would they go for it you think?

[Mama_Mia]

I really think the nw's and the late bt are all ot issues. Even if you keep the nap at 2 hours I would go for an earlier bt. If you put them down at 8:30 and they were ot which caused them to be awake until 9, then I would go with an 8pm bt first and see what happens. If they are still getting ot before they fall asleep then I would move it to 7:30. Many LO's are still taking 2 hour naps at 28 months and even at 3-4 yrs old. My nephew is 4 yrs old and still takes a 2 hour nap every day.

[Aishi]

thanks mama c- on my phone so cant quote but re nws caused by ot after nap days just varies. the first time it happened was after 4 nnds so i agree ot but since then its happening after only one or two nnds too. dyt thats accumulated ot?

i dont know how to get out of this. nap day naps are uncapped and nnds are min 11h cos hes waking before 7 and im scared of ebt at 5.30!!! is this something i should just bite the bullet and try?!

fwiw yesterday

wu 6.50
bt 6.50
nw 11.50-12.30
2 more brief nws

today

wu 6.50
nap 12.45-2.45 (usually 12.30-2.30)
bt 8.20 (took 35min to ss) usually when i time it right he's asleep within 5 min on both nap and nnds...so ut or ot still?

[*Kara*]

They are 28 months.  I don't think they are ready to drop the nap but it is a fight most days to get them to take one but once they are asleep they will sleep for two hours many imes.  But if I let them sleep that long then they get up late around 3:30 or 4.  So question is I guess do I let them sleep when thy clearly are tired or wake them?
Yesterday's eas
7:20 wake
1:30 -3:30 nap I let them sleep because they were so tired and had been so having one melt downs.

We were in the bed by 8:30 but not asleep till after 9 with major Ot.  One twin plus hair out when she's tired and man was she pulling it hard last night.  I know we should have been in bed soon but just couldn't get there.
So I really don't know how to fix the Ot.  Just get them inbred as early as possible?

Oh man!  We must live in a parallel universe!  28.5 months here and same thing... most times she STTN no issue for 12.5 hrs or so... but we got a lovely 3 hr NWing last night (11pm-215am)... I don't think ours was OT though, I think 2yr molars are shifting about again!

[Mama_Mia]

bt 8.20 (took 35min to ss) usually when i time it right he's asleep within 5 min on both nap and nnds...so ut or ot still?

I could be way off base but I still think OT. Here's another thought I had though, if they are still taking 2 hour naps then I wouldnt allow a nnd if at all possible. I would think that going from a 2hr nap to no nap at all would be very tough on them. If BT was getting later from ut, then I would cut the nap shorter. Then each time BT was getting later cut the nap shorter again until you end up with a 30-45min nap everyday. Then after awhile of that would be the time to start nnd's.

Kara, I hope your right about the molars, but from experience which I have had a ton of with long nw's I am betting she was ot. M just had a 5hr long nw a couple days ago. He happily played and rolled around for an hour at time then he would call for me and I would try rocking and such and this went on for 5 hours. The next day we had to do a nap and an ebt to get him caught back up.

[*Kara*]

but from experience which I have had a ton of with long nw's I am betting she was ot.

My fear too... she was acting OT for sure.. easy to rock to sleep but unable to stay asleep... chatty.. the whole deal.  Ugh.

Thankfully she did sleep in a bit later today until 8am... napped 215-440pm (uncapped) and was asleep at 830pm when i put her down tonight.  We had to go to a dinner function tonight for DHs work so I am so glad I was able to let her have a ripper of a nap!

[clairebear79]

Even if you keep the nap at 2 hours I would go for an earlier bt. If you put them down at 8:30 and they were ot which caused them to be awake until 9, then I

^^this^^

When my ds naps i let him sleep til 4pm (2hr nap) & he will happily go right to sleep at 8pm bedtime & sttn.

I do find however, that i can do a combo of nap days & no nap days & he handles it reasonably well, because on the days he does nap, he gets a long & restorative one. In our house, going for a capped nap every sinhle day just led to a constantly tired & grumpy boy who had multiple nw so it was the lesser of 2 evils for us. Ds is 31 months & still napping approx 50% of the time.

[Aishi]

ugh why cant i get this right? ds had a 2h nap yesterday sttn 8.15-7.15 and a 1.5h nap today 1.10-2.40 uncapped so caught up from ot caused by nnds right?

bt was for 8 as usual for nap days- usually asleep within 15 mins but not tonight. had a major hissy fit at 8.45 and asleep for 9 pm!! wth was that? ut followed by ot?

what should i do tomorrow? i need a plan for dropping this nap!! sorry for the rant im just so tired of not nowing what to do- so much for a relaxing bath and early night

[clairebear79]

Aishi id have said he was ut from 2 days of naps, but of course without seeing him i cant be 100%. I find with ds after a couple of nnd's a 2hr nap is great for catching up, then the next day he really doesnt want to nap. If he does we often get a shorter night.x

[Aishi]

thanks Claire. agree that he was ut- he gets hysterical if ot at bt as he did at 9pm. he woke for the day at 4.45 adamant he wanted to go downtairs and finally went back to sleep with me at 6.45-8.45!! so almost 10h night minus the 2h nw.

will take advantage of the late wu to do nnd but what time should bt be? he will do a 12h night if not ot....ive never tried ebt of 10.5h day so should i try that which will give me 7.15pm bt. dyt he may do longer than 12h night on shorter day?

the other thing is if wus are before 7 (usually are) and i keep days to 10.5h to prevent ot wont wu just creep earlier if he does 11-12h nights or is that to be expected and where i do a nap day instead?

[barbaraz78]

Just an update. I think we have almost fully dropped the nap. F refuses to sleep at home for nap time (despite being always offered), and he is doing very well with 11.5 h nights. It's been 3 days of nn, and I think he won't nap today, after 11.45 h night (also because we change the clock tonight, so I prefer to put him to bed early). Problem will be when he's back at preschool on Wednesday, when they let him nap (and he usually takes it, resulting in a 9.5-10 h night)... But I decided not to force any nap in this Easter holidays, I will try to maintain quiet time and the possibility for him to nap, and I hope he gets used to it and eventually learns not to sleep at preschool if he doesn't need it.

[clairebear79]

Aishi sorry i missed u yest. I have that same worry re doing a set amount of A time & both bt & wu creeping earlier. I do find that my ds sleeps longer if his day is shorter (& he therefore doesnt go to bed ot), but its not always practical to do that, esp on work days. These days i kind of have a bedtime 'window' from 6.30-7pm. If he sleeps in til 9am itd be 7pm bedtime, but if he's up earlier ie 7am i'd do 6.30, so ends up a much longer day. It takes out all the worry & guesswork, saves me stressing, & if he's tired we just have to suck it up & power on through. And yes if he got up really early eg pre 7am then i'd def make that a nap day. And if he's had say 1-2 nnd's & got up at 7-7.30 i'd prob still offer the nap just in case.

Barbara -aah the end of an era for you too. I dont think we are that far behind you, maybe a couple of months. O is getting harder & harder to settle for his nap & i think i need to introduce more nnd's at home, even on days he wakes up at 7am as if he's napped for 2 days in a row he just doesnt want to nap any more.x

[Aishi]

thanks claire. thats really helpful to know re day length and nap days. i braved an ebt yesterday after the 8.45 wu bt was 7.15  so only a 10.5h night but he still only had a 12h night (as he does on a 12h nnd). . is one day enough to judge whether a shorter day will give longer nights or do i need to give it longer???


he had an unavoidable car nap today 3.15-4.15. tried for 8pm bt but didnt fall asleep till 8.30- no dramas so hopefully not ot...

i think the way fwd for us maybe to stick to 12h nnds so that wu isnt too early and then do the odd uncapped nap as he seems to need it...wdyt?