Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #27

[JennVanessa1083]

Hey SM!

It was 10 not including NW; with NW it's 10.5. I figured he did a shorter night because of the monster nap and shorter A to bed.

I was doing set naps but found he got really OT after a couple of weeks. On one nap days he usually does 11.5-12 hour nights unless OT but I figured with such a great nap and shorter A to bed no way could that be.

The aim is:

WU 7:30 am
S 12:45-2:45 pm (hopefully)
BT 7:30-7:45 pm

I did 5:15 as with a 5 hr A he does average 1.25-1:20 nap. But now Im wondering if I should stick to 5 bc isn't it that that length on one nap routines indicate OT and not UT? He wakes up fine and won't resettle. So I tried 5.25 since with a 4.75 A to bed he seems to be better settled.

Hard to tell since molars are wreaking havoc on everything anyway. I guess it's all guesswork isn't it?

I guess I'm wondering if anyone ever had to limit the pm nap to get a longer night?

[choc]

Hi Jennifer, just wondering how old your lo is? We are cutting molars too and having short nights.

[JennVanessa1083]

Hi Gemma!

DS is almost 15 months old. Hmmmm perhaps ours are also due to the molars then. Are you doing one of two nap routines?

[choc]

We are still on 2 naps but just can't seem to get any consistency at the moment. Last night he woke at 4am then again at 5 30 and really cried a lot and I couldn't get him to calm down for ages then he fell asleep on my  lap in his room in the dark til 8.15am! I put down for 1st nap at 10.30 am and woke at 11 then put down again at 2pm for his long nap and got 45 mins!! No idea if he was ut or it was teeth. 2 days are barely the same either with same nap times!
I'm hoping after a few days at nursery next week we will start to get some consistency.
We are aiming for
1st nap 10 to 10.30
2nd nap 1.30 to 3
 Sorry for rambling! Are you on 1 nap all the time now?

[Scottishmummy]

Choc that sounds like a good routine to aim for to work around nursery pick up and drop off times.

JV- I'm not sure how UT/OT naps work on 1 nap routines. I did set naps with DS as soon as I could as I found Axtimes less predictable/useful after 12mo..but understand that OT can creep in if not quite ready for 1 nap. With DS we did a 2 nap set routine until 18mo

Our naps are all over the place again also with EW. We were out and about at themselves so only go short naps on the go and DD did a settling in day at nursery today and slept 11-12.45 (after being awake 4.30-5.45 in the night then back asleep until 7.15).  Going to try for a very short CN around 4.30/45 but if that fails it will be 6pm BT.

[Scottishmummy]

Wel both APOP-ing a CN & EBT failed. DD refused both and went to sleep after much shouting about it and lots of WI/WO at 7.15.  Not sure whether she got "tired but wired" from the early, long nap, or whether she just needs a set BT.

[choc]

How did your night go after failed cn and ebt?

We are back at nursery today and he had his 10 to 10.30 morning nap and I'm about to put him down for pm nap. Fingers crossed!

[Scottishmummy]

Good luck, choc! Hope it works.

Last night was surprisingly good, she slept 7.15pm-6am! On a 2 nap day today - she was tired by 9.45 so had 15mins then. She is at nursery for a settling in visit this afternoon. I really hope she went down at 1pm-ish for a long nap...will find out when I pick her up at 3.30

[choc]

Ooh hope it goes OK at nursery.
We are coming up to 45 min mark. If he gets through that then it's the 1hr10/20 mark to get through. If he does that the  we will definitely get 1hr30! Not holding my breath though!

[choc]

I was wrong. Only got to an hour. Gutted.
Do I stick with it again tomorrow and see what happens?!

[Scottishmummy]

Was this the first day of trying it? You could try another day or 2 and see if it's just adjustment to a different routine?
Other option if it continues not to work out, would be to try a shorter am nap - 20mins?

[choc]

We have done this routine before but a while ago, so yeah I suppose it's the first day. If it doesn't work out then I will have to be brave and ask nursery to wake him at 20 mins! Its a bit of a grey area, waking from naps!

[Scottishmummy]

Yeah, and sometimes tricky for nursery t remember what every child needs...DD slept 1hr20 at nursery but it took them almost an hour to get her to go to sleep. They tried to get her to nap at 1230 even though I'd said she probably wouldn't sleep until 1...but I understand it's hard to meet every individual child's needs so just accept nursery days are going to be either OT or UT days.

[choc]

Was it her first settling session? She did well to sleep at all!
Yes I agree nursery days will be off, it's just hard when it's 4 days a week!
Dh is in charge of afternoon nap tomorrow so god knows what will happen.

[Gully]

Hi all

We are at the start of what I'm told is the 2:1 transition (I posted under naps previously). DD is 11 months old and and we have had to start capping one nap to try to get two into the day We first tried capping the second nap but she started waking loads during the night. My biggest problem is that bedtime is being pushed way back by the second nap:

Yesterday:

7am Wake up
 
10:30 nap (refused at childminders)
12:15 Fell asleep Slept 1 hour 10 mins
6:30 Bed (no problem going off, slept through until 5:30, dozed until 6:30) She wasn't cranky in the afternoon, was content playing by herself.

Today:
6:30 Wake up?
10:45 Nap 1 (at childminders)
11:30 Woke up
3:45 Put her down, is still awake (40 minutes later). Not crying, crawling around.

I should add that she has never gone to bed earlier than her awake times dictate, even with a short nap.

So I'm wondering what people do when days like this happen. Should I leave her down there until she does go off or should I forget nap2 and put her to bed again at 6:30? That would mean she only had 40 mins sleep today.

Should I just try to push her morning awake time and go for the one nap? 11 months seems really young though and she has always preferred a shorter awake time in the morning.

Any advice at all would really be appreciated! I know this is probably going to be a long process, can't believe we are struggling with the first hurdle!